Hi grasshopper, I sometimes think you confuse complaining with contributing... if you feel something is missing, then contribute it or go away, you don't get to complain.
What if...you guys actually did something related to garage biotech instead of talking about the philosophy of biopunk and cyber punk and who-knows-what-kind-of punk?
If you tried to contribute biohacking maybe you'd come to understand something a lot of other people already know is true for now. To quote from the post:
> No one can easily biohack anything useful now. The entry level is too
>People who discover garage biology get disappointed 5 minutes later
>when they realize you can't do that much right now. Actually a lot
>has happened in only the last two years.
Somehow, I feel like people like Cathal Garvey don't spend all their time discussing how "we love Darwin" and how the biopunk culture is going to "create and hack life".
Biopunk is not the same as biohacking. It's a biohacker culture, one of many to come probably. As a personal biohacker Cathal is pretty unique right now.
Seriously, you guys need to re-examine what you mean by "creation". It really is a completely false term. No one is "creating" a synthetic cell; Craig Venter only used a computer to assemble a genome very similar to the original Mycobacterium and then put it back into the cell. "Assembly" might be a better term."
I think that's a comment to ”Cyberpunk was about simulating life, biopunk is about creating life.”? Venters cell boot up has little to do with it. That you can create life follows from ”We are self replicating machines of cells filled with molecules that follow the laws of physics.”. But it's the distinction between cyberpunk and biopunk that's important in that comment anyway... because the two get confused with each other. Think of it as a slogan.
I think the idea of doing garage biotech is a good one, if there was anyone to actually do it. Everyone, at least the people here, just drowns themselves in posthuman or hacktivist culture, and then no one is moving the movement forward. Seriously guys, just buy some yogurt. Just for me. And put it under a microscope. Extract Lactobacilli DNA. If you really want to see something in the next decade, you have got to actually do something.?
I don't think would be biohackers are that interested in the extracting DNA exercise. Personal biohacking becomes interesting when there are simple enough methods to do somewhat useful hacks reasonably easily. It's the “Biopunk lives where biology is technology” discussion, biohacking needs to be more cheap engineering and less luck and science for it to be interesting for biopunk use. Technology and our access to it is getting better every month but we're not there yet. Understanding this is part of biopunk.
I think part of your nagging stems from that you don't really know what's within our reach right now, and what will have to happen for it to get there. I'm giving you the benefit of a doubt here... you could also just be an attention seeking kid. Generally speaking if you feel something is missing, then contribute it or shut up, don't start telling others what they should do.
In this case; if you would try to contribute to personal biohacking you'd find out why there is basically none of it going on right now in the DIYbio hackerspaces. There will be, but there isn't right now. Many people understand why and have ideas about how we can get there. DIYbio is doing a good job with this and should be recognized for it.
(By the way, you should use periods at the end of your sentences. And you shouldn't use bad language.)
A comment in line with the rest of your post. We use bad language in the irc sometimes... I'll wash my mouth with soap.