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Hello, everyone I thought I would post something since its Halloween, any way I will just say it. What do you guys think would be the best way to make Zombies from reanimating the dead or dead tissue to zombie like 28 days later?

What do you think would be the most scientific way to make vampires, or have the strength of twenty men? Is there something in blood an artificial being could drink to live?

Last but not lest do you all think there could be evil scientist out there?
I am looking forward to the answers you give me; I wish this was a contest.

Note: new comers and news writers these are hypothetical ideas so do not freak out and I doubt we can afford any of these things.


Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:05 am
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Post Re: Zombie, vampires, and biohacking?
I would like to answer with a question. Why would anyone want to make vampires and zombies? Of course I think it is possible for a creature to survive sloely on blood(leeches, certain bugs, some bat species), but why would you construct a creature like that on purpose? :D To increase one's strength there are lots of ways, like exoskeletons, or someday maybe to genetically modify yourself to increase your muscle weight, but the genes regulating the morphology of the body( aka hox genes) are not yet entirely understood.

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Post Re: Zombie, vampires, and biohacking?
Well a scientific answer is biological weapons or use humans making dangers thing because we can. Then there’s the reanimating the dead (not to eat the living) to be smart dead thing, my point being to bring people back to live again.

I was just doing this for fun and it was Halloween.


Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:37 pm
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I get your point, but there is still one quite philosophical question remaining: If you bring something back from being dead to life, does it make it simply living, or dead, or living dead or something? What do you think? Otherwise I wouldnt support reviving things that are dead, because there is evolutional reason why nothing is able to live forever.

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I could understand bringing dead cells back to help with diseases, or to keep body parts fresh for the person that needs it. But your first question, zombies and vampires are the undead there in a limbo there not dead or alive.

This is a fun talk were having, any more questions?


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Post Re: Zombie, vampires, and biohacking?
I don't know about the zombies, but I used to think about creating a story around an "engineered" vampire (that would be an awesome comic book). A while ago, there was a biochemist who made a (not very well received) claim that some characteristics of vampirism could be explained by Porphyria. In my idea, this disease was genetically engineered to spread as a virus. The zombies would be interesting though. That's not something i've given too much thought to.


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Two things come to mind... the first is myostatin deficiency:



The second is Robert White's monkey head transplants:



When one thinks about it experiments gone wrong will automatcally produce something that will seem freakish to us. There must be countless ways to make a brain incomplete/malfunction so it goes savant, zombielike, fearless or berserk.

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Reanimating dead? No chance if the tissues have decayed significantly. Robotics might help there, but you need healthy, living cells to reanimate something. What's why transplant organs are preserved on ice.


Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:37 am
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Yeah fun talk:) But while talking here I wonder about the difference between life and death. I mean, we are only able to examine proteins, DNA, RNA, ribosomes etc. from homogenized->dead cells. What if we dont understand many problems because something is missing? Like there is a difference between a "living protein" and a "dead protein"? I dont think here of the conformation, pH, and all those but something else no one has thought of before...

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I know George Church talked somewhere of a project which identified the minimal subset of proteins needed in a functional cell. I don't remember but it wasn't that many proteins... like 150? As I understood it the cell they got with the minimal subset worked but was buggy and slow to grow/divide... so the next step was to find the minimal subset that would work satisfactorily. Maybe that is what Venters Mycoplasma Laboratorium is about.

The minimal cell(chassi) research is a way to find out if the models hold or if there are unkonwn unknowns.

I'm not sure how one knows exactly what is in the chassi though... as it still has to be built by another cell.

In a perfect world the cell could be built completely from scratch to know what went into it I would think, but maybe there are accurate methods to find all parts of the living cell in a post mortem.

I feel like you... this field is full of unknown unknowns.

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Indeed it is. The more you learn the more unanswered questions you have. But, fortunately there is a movement of people who are committed to non-conventional biological research called "biopunks" :D

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The Hun wrote:
Yeah fun talk:) But while talking here I wonder about the difference between life and death. I mean, we are only able to examine proteins, DNA, RNA, ribosomes etc. from homogenized->dead cells. What if we dont understand many problems because something is missing? Like there is a difference between a "living protein" and a "dead protein"? I dont think here of the conformation, pH, and all those but something else no one has thought of before...


Nope. There's no indications of any sort of life force in proteins, nor any reason to consider one. Cellular and noncellular proteins that are structurally identical behave exactly the same.

And what do you mean we only observe "dead" proteins? What do you think radioactive tags are for?

How do you define the difference? Is viral DNA/RNA "living" or "dead"? Does a sugar molecule become alive when it's taken up by a cell? If you lyse a cell and the RNA becomes dead, does it suddenly regain life if you inject it into another?

Things we don't understand are a problem of manpower, instruments and observation issues. Some activities are hard to observe without disrupting them. Mostly it's just a case of being so complicated that most of it hasn't been looked into yet.


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Post Re: Zombie, vampires, and biohacking?
No! No vampires! No matter what any one says vampires are not scientifically possible. They belong to the world of fantasy. Werewolves are a little better and i can see them being used as weapons. Espacially in wars in forested areas.
Zombie might be possible using colloninal nanobots but the idea of a virus might be able to take control of a dead persons body is absurd.


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There is an old rumor that Stalin was trying to create an army of ape soldiers. It's one of those memes that would spread in the cold war context regardless of whether it was true or not. I don't think anyone actually saw any.

Now that I think about it... would it even be possible? Would one start by breeding smart apes or stupid people to get something that can fight like a beast and shoot a MG?

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Fallen One wrote:
No! No vampires! No matter what any one says vampires are not scientifically possible. They belong to the world of fantasy. Werewolves are a little better and i can see them being used as weapons. Espacially in wars in forested areas.
Zombie might be possible using colloninal nanobots but the idea of a virus might be able to take control of a dead persons body is absurd.


Anything with the body-morphing ability necessary to even tangentially qualify for the title of "werewolf" is impossible.

Human-wolf hybrids... maybe someday, although they'd be less useful than humans. Maybe dogs engineered to be more intelligent with human genes, like they did to those mice? That could work.

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There is an old rumor that Stalin was trying to create an army of ape soldiers. It's one of those memes that would spread in the cold war context regardless of whether it was true or not. I don't think anyone actually saw any.

Now that I think about it... would it even be possible? Would one start by breeding smart apes or stupid people to get something that can fight like a beast and shoot a MG?

-Splicer


As I understand it, the only work done in that area was attempting to fertilise ape ova with human sperm and vice versa (yes, they managed to find human female volunteers for this). It didn't work out.

People get really touchy when the idea of human splicing with other primates comes up. I guess it deals with an ethical can of worms that we're not ready to open yet. So we know practically nothing about how such hybridisation would work out.


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